Brexit – The only ones likely to lose out are politicians

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  • #19082
    MalcolmMalcolm
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      @madmalc
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      Is it me or am I the only one who thinks that the main losers in Brexit will be the politicians?

      No chance of ‘President of Europe’ you failed ex Prime Ministers.

      Then again isn’t everyone on the EU side of the negotiations someone who was rejected by their own electorate?

      They’re a former this or a former that of one of the countries, did they get promoted or was a rejection by the electorate that knows them better than we do?

      If one of our former prime ministers managed to sway the progress so we don’t leave surely the least they would expect is the presidency although some might accept being a commissioner or is that role exclusively kept for failed opposition leaders?

      It was just such a non understanding of how Europe works that swayed my vote..

      #19090
      TipponTippon
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        I hope you’re right. One of the suspected casualties is Ford in Bridgend. It has over 1,000 staff, including family members 🙁

        #19092
        Ed PEd P
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          @edps
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          I hope that you are right considering we do not actually know what will be the final results of these messy discussions.

          All that has been tacitly agreed so far is the easy bit as the EU were always going to look to preserve their exports. I have heard nothing about the more important (to the UK) Finance & Services sectors. As usual the Devil is in the detail and the electorate never saw any details of what the small majority wanted to achieve and how they would be implemented through Brexit and those details are still missing.

          It was the complete lack of such details and the costs of leaving that caused me to vote remain.

          Given the need to complete negotiations, any talk of a second referendum would be stupid at this point, but there may come a time when we need to follow the Irish example and have a second referendum on what has been negotiated.

          #19109
          Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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            @bullstuff2
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            I am just relieved that (at least for now) the Humber area investment is unaffected. Companies like Siemens and Dong, have actually increased their investment in works and factories, on both sides of the Humber Bridge. Siemens in particular are spending €100Millions on Renewables manufacture & installation plants, with a large Engineering campus at Lincoln University and input in many engineering companies. Then there is Ørsted, which is the renamed Dong Energy:

            http://tinyurl.com/y8sqa92g

            It was the threat of losing these companies and their investment, which formed the largest part of my decision to vote Remain. I said at the time of a huge debate here and in the former MM Forum, that I voted Remain because I feared for the future of my grandchildren’s employment and for – well – their future lives. This area has for too much merely seasonal employment, really needed a massive injection of investment and the jobs it provides. The knock-on effect alone, will be huge and is happening right now. I <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>do not want to revive the Brexit discussion here</span>: people become irate about their opinions and that sort of anger does not belong here. We are better than the BS in Facebook, surely?

            Tippon‘s post about Ford Bridgend represents the other side of the equation: I remember when Ford declared that they were going to build the plant. Saddening and sickening for another UK area and I think it is part of the retrenchment that is going to occur in the Motor Industry over the next few decades. Coming from a coalfield area, I remember well the effects of an industry hitting the buffers. My old village and the others in the area, are only now beginning to recover. Some pit villages never will: they are desolate, despondent places to visit.

            When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
            I'm out.

            #19111
            RichardRichard
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              @sawboman
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              Just look at Dagenham, once a major Ford production plant but now I don’t knew quite what is left there or in Hailsham either. I not sure which dog’s basket built the automatic escort my wife wanted, back in 1992. The gear box replacement interval was shorter than the engine servicing schedule, that was the only time we had an extended warranty on anything – thank goodness we did!

              #19114
              The DukeThe Duke
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                @sgb101
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                Looks like Vx in elesmere port will be gone soon also. Although  given its been running at under 50% cap for a long time, it was probably being part of the EU that was keeping it open. Though that won’t stop people blaming 5hr EU for its closure.<

                Which is a shame cos the area is a pro remain region.

                #19117
                Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                  @bullstuff2
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                  Richard I had a Focus Auto 1.6 Titanium X (top of the range) from 2011 t0 2014, on Motability lease. It was almost as bad as your Escort: electrical shorts, engine problems, carpet wore into holes within a year, seat frames lost all resilience by the end of the lease. It was one of the most uncomfortable drives I have ever had. What annoyed me was that from 2001 to 2004, I had a Focus 1.6 LX Auto (next to bottom of range) which was a great car. I never had any trouble with it and drove many more miles in that than the later Focus: all over Europe and the UK. The only problems I had, was caused by the two female drivers who hit it. One drove out from a LHand sidestreet in the pouring rain when I had my lights on at <30 mph. The other drove out of the tight Surgery exit/entrance in reverse, across my nearside doors. Repaired both times, the Focus carried on driving superbly. It was made at Dagenham: the other in Belgium.

                  When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
                  I'm out.

                  #19129
                  RichardRichard
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                    @sawboman
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                    Bob, the tissue paper gearbox was not the only issue. There was a sort of plastic lunch-box that had north and south connections. North went to the front of the car and engine and south went to the rear. North was joined to south by traces across a board. All pretty dumb stuff, however this managed to develop a fault, So Ford wanted something about £70 for the lunch-box and nearly £300 to fit it. A soldering iron, some heavy duty wire and 10 minutes and el lunch-box was fixed.

                    The rear brakes we a different issue, wheel cylinders are supposed to contain fluid and resist pressure only moving their piston in and out to activate the brake shoes, not on the Escort, they recycled fluid onto the brake shoes, wheel and anything else in range after much less than 30,000 miles. The Honda that replaced it went for 17 years with fewer replacement parts before it was replaced. Its replacement the Kia has barely done any miles at all but the reasons for that is a completely different story.

                    #19145
                    dwynnehughdwynnehugh
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                      Politicians loosing out????????????????????

                      Turkeys have voted for Xmas at last!!

                      The more you meet people the more you understand why Noah took animals instead of humans

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