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January 5, 2017 at 7:38 pm #1815
I note all the on-line stores are starting a ‘Kaby Lake is here!’ push, however it would seem that many in the technical press are less than enthralled with Intel’s new offering. Ars Technica has a typical less than resounding review of the lack of anything much new in the Kaby Lake line. It looks like I’ll put off my 3-4 year upgrade cycle by another year, or maybe the ‘Lake’ chip is destined for a quick trip to the remaindered items slot.
Anyone else have views on this topic?
January 5, 2017 at 8:06 pm #1817Unless you’re gaming at 4k or doing really heavy duty photo or video editing (or similar) why bother upgrading?
My media PC is a cheap Dell 3050, OK the storage is week but it does everything else I need it to.
My video editing is done in my refurb X220, with an SSD, and that flies along.
How many people actually need a desktop anymore? I could do the video editing on my K1 tablet and I have, it was fiddly but worked fine. Same goes for photos on the rare occasion I edit them.
I know of one desktop purchase purchase in the last 4 years, that was the Legion I go to and that was for security reasons.
January 5, 2017 at 10:55 pm #1823Unless you’re gaming at 4k or doing really heavy duty photo or video editing (or similar) why bother upgrading?
I’ll second that. I upgraded from a quad core Athlon II X4 to an i5, and it’s very rare that I actually notice the difference. The Blade server I posted about was bought because I need more cores rather than more power* It’s Xeon E5150 based, and they’re about as powerful as Core 2 Duo chips (£40 though, so worth a shot 🙂 )
*If I’ve got the time, I’ll document getting it running and post it up if anyone’s interested 🙂
January 6, 2017 at 7:57 am #1830Well, my last few purchases have been of the lower powered Intel chips and I’ve not been to impressed. The last desktop I purchased was one using an A10 AMD CPU and that’s my gaming rig – it plays what I need it to play (current game is Factario, which in fairness, is likely to play on something much older!) I’m not planning on updating it this year (though might update the graphics card as at the minute, I’m using the onboard graphics, though as I’m now longer playing Payday or any of the latest releases, that isn’t to much of an issue).
My X220 is about to become my main rig again though – I can tell the difference between that and my low powered Celeron box. But that’s probably a first gen i5 and I can’t tell the difference using a later gen i5 at work. Or I think I can but I believe that’s an SSD thing (i.e. I don’t have one at work and 4GB of RAM is killing the machine!)
"Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett
January 6, 2017 at 8:04 am #1831I really noticed the difference between a new A8 3.5Ghz and a Haswell i3 4170
One client had their 16 camera analogue CCTV upgraded to a decent digital recorder and needed to access it remotely.
That needs PC software and they had an old Sandybridge Celeron hanging around with 4GB ram.
Dropped a £75 second hand i5-2400 in there, more than good enough. No need for a new PC.
January 6, 2017 at 10:47 am #1839I’m a heavy user of VM and often have two or even three machines on the go (four max). Although my four year old box has enough cores/flops and memory to handle this,, Windows 10 has stuffed up the i/o bandwidth by grabbing far too much band-width for iits poxy ring-home spy-ware needs.
Unfortunately Xen does not cut the graphics pass-through mustard so I’m stuck for the moment with Windows 10. Bottom line I look at upgrades as a possible way of opening up bus bandwidth limitations when I’m running more than one vm (even one can stutter if Acronis is running (unfortunately now also a new band-width hog with its cloud stack-even though I do not use it)) 🙁 .
January 6, 2017 at 2:52 pm #1883EdP – Would a a Pi-Hole free up any cycles on the Windows 10 box? The Pi blocks a huge number of Windows phone home DNS requests (though that might make things worse? Constant looking for a connection)
"Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett
January 6, 2017 at 4:52 pm #1891I honestly do not know exactly WHERE the contention takes place. VMs are i/o bus/disk hogs in their own right Acronis has regressed from my viewpoint and consumes far too many disk/network cycles even on local backup. Heaven knows what Win10 does, but I suspect it is snooping all over the architecture (bus/disk?) before reporting top level to M$. I’d therefore hazard that the bottle neck is a mobo bus issue rather than Internet so pi-hole ought to help but only a tiny bit.
I think I may investigate loading the vm cores into ram disks. Really that should not work as Windows 10 is SUPPOSED to intelligently use available ram. (I have 16GB to play with).
January 7, 2017 at 3:03 am #1905…Windows 10 is SUPPOSED to intelligently use available ram. (I have 16GB to play with).
I’ve got 16GB here too, and Windows 10 is regularly giving me error messages and force closing programs when it’s at about 75% usage ?
January 7, 2017 at 2:39 pm #1919Linus tech tips done a video comparing the flagship of each gen going back 10 years and it highlights exponentially shrinking returns of upgrading, and the fact that 2013 chip is much better (hp wise) over the new one.
If you have lipsync issues double click on the title in the top left of the video , this will take you direct to YouTube to view it.
January 7, 2017 at 3:27 pm #1928Anonymous
Forumite Points: 0Unless you’re gaming at 4k or doing really heavy duty photo or video editing (or similar) why bother upgrading?
Why bother upgrading even then?
Yesterday, my brother let me play with his 4k monitor (28″ ASUS, 3840×2160). I expected it to be pretty dreadful, but was very surprised at how capable my i7 920 (2.6Ghz!) and R9 280 (rebadged 7970) was. I tried GTA V, Tomb Raider: Rise of the Tomb Raider and Assasin’s Creed Black Flag.
All played at fairly decent frames (I didn’t have too long, so dropped a few settings here and there till it was playable-ish). It’s clearly the GPU bottlenecking it, but I’m definitely not far off 4k gaming with 7+ year old technology.
CPU Innovation really has not happened.
January 7, 2017 at 8:34 pm #1930My i7 920 paired with the gtx970, handles all I can chuck at it at 1080p. The only games it struggles with is transport world builder games, that are very CPU heavy. All it is is 1000s of spreadsheets continulously churning, bit the 920 can stuggel once world’s get complex.
But the likes of GTA it’s fine at the medium settings, and GTA there is not alot of different in grafical quality from med to high. There is a big jump from low to medium, that can be stained quite cheaply, but to get that last 5% in eye candy means major investment.
Project racing is also fine so have all my latest titles covered, and the old dog just keeps working. If I games alot I’d replace it as I think it’s a bit of a drinker , but as I go through fits and starts, didn’t hardly game stall this autumn, usuay my resume of year, I didn’t even see a price jump in my electric bill, I’ve seen it go up a thrid when I’m get in the grove.
Every year for the last 3 , iclve said the 920 will be moved to pastures new, bit each December it’s still here.
I recall buying the 920 on its release about 08ish, and a few on the forum said, don’t buy that socket there is no upgrade path. little did they know it was never going to become obselete. :wacko:
January 8, 2017 at 9:01 pm #1949Anonymous
Forumite Points: 0Agreed. I expected it to last me through till Graduation, which was in ’13. And since then, nothing has tasked it too heavily. Even if it did, I’m still running stock, and if I knew it was the CPU bottlenecking, then I know I can about 40% clock improvement quite easily.
Running at 4k for games, it’ll definitely be a GPU bottleneck, so I could look into overclocking the 7970 and see how far I get with that too. Probably not as far, but I’m surprised that the latest R480 isn’t streets ahead of what I have. Especially considering how cheap I got it and how old it really is.
I’m very tempted to buy my brothers 4k monitor off him. It’s not the best, with some colour banding as I’m being highly critical, but for actual use the increased resolution is awesome.
January 8, 2017 at 11:45 pm #1956FS- we have this same back and forth about Evey 12 months. Lol
January 9, 2017 at 8:10 pm #1972Freakshow: You graduated in 2013? i thought we were the same year at the old Bham? mind you we only met twice maybe :/ i graduated in 2012.
So what you are all saying is, i dont need to increase my budget to £500 quid for a kabylake as a Sandybridge will do?
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IPad Mini 2, Asus Nexus 2012January 9, 2017 at 10:09 pm #1978Anonymous
Forumite Points: 0I don’t remember meeting? :unsure:
But yes, 2013. And now 3 ever so seemingly long year of work down the line, when is retirement?
January 9, 2017 at 10:14 pm #1979I think i was over in the electrical building once to borrow a machine to compile fortran which the engineering department simply didnt have,.
The old and wretched E4500 2.2 with a GTX750Ti
Macbook Pro 2015 (i am a grown up now -.- ), Travelmate 8371G
IPad Mini 2, Asus Nexus 2012January 10, 2017 at 11:15 pm #1998Anonymous
Forumite Points: 0They’re gutting it now. All Engineering schools will be based in Mechanical/Chemical building. Physio will be taking the whole of electronics, apart from one floor where there will be some electronics labs.
You won’t do a specialised degree, it’ll be an Engineering degree with some specialisation, but not much. A waste in my opinion.
January 16, 2017 at 5:00 pm #2140I took Chem Eng (nearly Bio-Chem Eng). That really was a jack of all trades course with pretty much a common core along with most Engineering undergrads up to the end of the second year. This had value in later life, as it enabled me to understand what I did not know (lots), but enough to know when I was being BS’d. I do however think it to be somewhat dangerous to take the concept beyond the second year as there are a lot of areas where you need specialised basic skills. (As a simple example while I know enough Civil Engineering to know about designing foundations, I also know that I’d make a right pig’s ear if I tried to do it myself!)
January 19, 2017 at 7:29 pm #2257I concour. The mix up until my forced year of auto was a good foundation for engineering appreciation of wider concepts now.
The department was reacredited everyyear I was there by the imeche as they kept changing the syllabus that’s why I moved to physics for final year postgrad wooooo physics for life.
So so is the view now on Ka by lake, if you are building new get a 4 thread pentium?
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