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    Alex GardnerAlex Gardner
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      @alexg
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      Hi!

      I recently inherited my parents house as they have recently passed. However I don’t want to sell the house (lots of fond memories), but can’t afford to move into it. I’m thinking of letting it out, because I can’t afford to keep the house running myself. I earn just under the higher tax bracket, and don’t want to push all my income into that bracket. I’d be looking to rent their property for about £1300 a month, and this tax calculator says that would put my overall income well into the higher bracket. I was wondering if income from renting out a property is the same as normal income? Or is it taxed differently?

      Thanks in advance
      A

      #17916
      RichardRichard
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        @sawboman
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        Alex, as a first point I suggest that your question leads me to think that you are in urgent need to sound advice like a good accountant, maybe before yoru do anything but certainly if you go down the route of renting the property.

        Second point is that unless you have special tax shelters like ISAs, etc. then income is income and liable for tax.

        Thirdly, there are risks such as rent defaulters and what are known as voids when no one rents but the ongoing expenses must still be paid.

        You will be responsible for maintenance of all aspects of the property so get ready for urgent phone calls at any time. Landlords are shortly to be responsible for the environmental performance of their rental properties if you cannot get the right energy performance for the place then you might have to shell out to ‘bring it up to spec’. I worked out that my parent’s house was costing about £20,000 a year when all the maintenance, tax, energy costs and other sundries were added up. My brother was, like you reluctant to sell, but thank goodness he agreed and a few days, actually three weeks before father died it sold. It made IHT and all the rest of the process so much easier. As I sorted out that little rats next of costs and responsibilities few I was happier. I guess you would rent it out unfurnished as it is doubtful that the furnishings would be suitable, once they are removed an awful lot of memories will go with them. Memories are for the minds of people who carry them about, they are not carried by bricks, mortar and chattels.

        There are a few ‘real’ accountants who lurk here, I am sure that they might want to fill in a few of the blanks and correct anything that I have miss said.

        #17921
        JayCeeDeeJayCeeDee
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          @jayceedee
          Forumite Points: 230

          We converted our pensions into a couple of buy-to-lets and they work for us. As Richard said, your first port of call should be an accountant. Finding one shouldn’t be a problem – they advertise everywhere – finding the right one is harder. The solicitor that dealt with the paperwork for inheriting the house may be able to point you in that direction. Speaking of the house, you will need to check that there is no outstanding personal tax liability from inheriting it – you don’t state the situation there but no assumptions.

          With regard to the letting there is only one real way for a novice and that is through an estate agent. They will take the stress and strain out of it and will also advise you what to retain and what to get rid of, what can be left as is and what will need to be decorated. In our case the monthly income is 800 and 900 and they take about 75 and 85. More important is to take out landlords insurance – this costs 25 and 35 but gives you cover for unpaid rent for 6 months and up to £15k in legal costs to evict. Daunting words, but sensible precautions.

          The above figures are per month and approximate and open to negotiation with the agent. One other thing they do is look after maintenance for you. It can be a real pita to get a call saying the boiler isn’t working and then running round trying to get it fixed. The agent will have a group that deals with all maintenance issues from getting a Gas Safety Certificate issued to any remedial works needed. The tenant calls them and they’ll email you requesting authorisation. You’ll need an EPR for the house as ell, but the agent will fill you in on all requirements.

           

          I earn just under the higher tax bracket, and don’t want to push all my income into that bracket.

          An accountant will confirm, but your earnings under the tax limit will still be taxed at the lower rate, only the earnings above will be taxed higher and you should be able to offset costs against that.

          It’s all a bit daunting now, but if you find yourself with further questions, just come back and ask.

           

          #17928
          Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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            @bullstuff2
            Forumite Points: 0

            I have little to add to the excellent advice given by others before me, but do take these words from Richard into deep consideration:

            …it is doubtful that the furnishings would be suitable, once they are removed an awful lot of memories will go with them. Memories are for the minds of people who carry them about, they are not carried by bricks, mortar and chattels.

            I have memories of returning to my parents’ old house and my childhood home, with my wife, years after I had left. I had described the hose and gardens to my new missus – Apple trees, masses of fruiting blacberry along the fence, elderberry trees, veg planted everywhere. It was all gone: trees, fence, everything I remembered, all gone to lawn and the kind of twee, mock-stone wall that my parents would have hated. And then it hit me: this is no longer my home, nor has it been for a long time. I moved several times since then, across counties. Each house was bricks and mortar, but the people of all ages who grew into a family in each house, were the real ‘Home’. A house has been called “a machine for living in” but a home is not a home if you do not share it with those you love.

            That’s my philosophy, anyway. Whatever you decide to do with the house is your affair, but don’t let the past cloud your view of the present and the future.

            When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
            I'm out.

            #17936
            D-DanD-Dan
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              @d-dan
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              I’m a specialist tax accountant by day.

              Rental income is no different than other income in terms of taxation (e.g. salary pension self-employment etc.) and for tax purposes is simply added to other income subject to income tax (as opposed to capital gains tax, dividend tax etc.) and your liability is calculated on the total. Any tax already paid is deducted from the total due and whatever is left over is what you pay.

              There are likely to be expenses that you can claim against the rental income to mitigate the taxable amount. e.g. letting agent fees, insurance, repairs replacement and renewals, possibly capital allowances. Expenses for rental purposes can only be used to reduce taxable rental income, and if expenses exceed income, a rental loss is created rather than mitigating other taxable income.

              Rental losses also receive special treatment, in that they can only be carried forward and set against future profits from the same rental business (again, no reducing other taxable income).

              As an aside, if you had any costs involved with the acquisition of the property (i.e. costs to you and not the estate) keep full details, since these can be used to mitigate capital gains tax on eventual sale. If you have any improvements done to the property, that represents capital expenditure which cannot be claimed against rental income, but can also be used to mitigate capital gains on eventual sale, so again, keep full details.

              Arch Linux, on a Ryzen 7 1800X, 32 GB, 5 (yes -5) HDs inc 5 SSDs, 4 RPi 3Bs + 1 RPi 4B - one as an NFS server with two more drives, PiHole (shut yours), Plex server, cloud server, and other random Pi stuff. Nice CoolerMaster case, 2 x NV GTX 1070 8GB, and a whopping 32" AOC 1440P monitor.

              #17939
              Ed PEd P
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                @edps
                Forumite Points: 39

                As above, but you have a misconception over tax brackets. You do not push ALL your tax into a higher bracket, just the bits that do not qualify for the lower tax bracket. There are exceptions to this if you qualify for special allowances then incremental earnings CAN push you over a cliff. If you are in a position where you get special allowances you may well need expert advice. Try this CAB advice as a general; starter.

                #17942
                RichardRichard
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                  @sawboman
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                  I think you have had good advice, but do please take on board several things. you will be entering a new line of business as such you will need the right professional support. Remember that most professions have specialists, not all estate agents will do rental management equally well. Not all accountants will deal with small specialist businesses like your new one equally well. Above all it will move from being a store house of memories to a business property. You may well find as Bob found that you no longer feel part of you is still there once others live there and pay for the privilege. Your eyes and mind must be open to those risks, chose wisely and good luck. Several have pointed out that tax come as layers and there are ways to visualise it but each layer of the cake pays only the rate for that layer, zero rate, basic rate, and soon and so forth. When you have accounted for all the money you no longer worry about any more layers. So the 40% layer might only be a few thousands sat on top of the lower rate slices – it can still be a real incentive not to work too hard to earn more money, e.g chasing interest rates that would only be in the band, being left with even 60% of damn all is still damn all and barely worth a phone call, email or letter to obtain.

                  #17943
                  johnbarryjohnbarry
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                    @johnbarry
                    Forumite Points: 13

                    You all bet me to it I would suggest all the above (after reading all the good advice)

                    2 things spring to mind.

                    1. Can’t pay we’ll take it away (as regards renters)
                    2. Dan what do you do by night.

                    Cheers
                    John

                    #17944
                    D-DanD-Dan
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                      @d-dan
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                      Dan what do you do by night.

                      I don a black cape and mask, and fight crime in the suburbs of Warrington, but shhhh, don’t tell anyone it’s me.

                       

                      EDIT: Perhaps I should clarify. It’s more of a black coat and hat, and the crime I stop is underage drinking of real ale. I do this by drinking the real ale first so that the under aged can’t get to it.

                      Arch Linux, on a Ryzen 7 1800X, 32 GB, 5 (yes -5) HDs inc 5 SSDs, 4 RPi 3Bs + 1 RPi 4B - one as an NFS server with two more drives, PiHole (shut yours), Plex server, cloud server, and other random Pi stuff. Nice CoolerMaster case, 2 x NV GTX 1070 8GB, and a whopping 32" AOC 1440P monitor.

                      #17959
                      Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                        @bullstuff2
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                        Dan, if on your travels around Warrington you should meet a guy named Bill Warwick, please let me know. He was a very good mate in the Army but we lost contact many years ago. I can just imagine him being a real ale drinker.

                        When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
                        I'm out.

                        #18223
                        D-DanD-Dan
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                          @d-dan
                          Forumite Points: 6

                          @Bob, it’s not a name I recall, but I’ll bear it in mind. Give me some clues (age, appearance etc.)

                          Arch Linux, on a Ryzen 7 1800X, 32 GB, 5 (yes -5) HDs inc 5 SSDs, 4 RPi 3Bs + 1 RPi 4B - one as an NFS server with two more drives, PiHole (shut yours), Plex server, cloud server, and other random Pi stuff. Nice CoolerMaster case, 2 x NV GTX 1070 8GB, and a whopping 32" AOC 1440P monitor.

                          #18237
                          Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                            @bullstuff2
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                            Thanks Dan:

                            Around 5feet 8, was dark haired in 1975, but now, who knows? A proper Lancashire lad, favourite expression was “Now then cocker, what’s up?” Not a heavy drinker (then) but liked what he called “proper beer” and average build, not aggressive at all. I have a pic somewhere, have to dig it out and scan it. Had an inventive mind when it came to uniform:

                            One night he was on Duty Storeman and decided he was not going to wear a whole KF shirt and Wooly Pulley. Took a spare shirt and removed everything but the bits that poked out of the shirt above the pullover, which was mostly collar and shoulders. Another mate who knew about this grabbed the collar and yanked the whole lot out. Cue other mate wearing his pint over his head.

                            When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
                            I'm out.

                            #18239
                            D-DanD-Dan
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                              @d-dan
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                              If I do bump into him, I’ll be sure not to yank at his clothes, then.

                              There is a Bill goes into one of the real ale bars, has hearing aids and is a slight build. Always wears a suit and tie, and I’d peg him at maybe 65. Dunno his surname. but I’ll check next Saturday. You never know….

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                              #18244
                              Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                                @bullstuff2
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                                Thanks Dan. Bill W. would be a bit older than that, certainly over 70, maybe 71. Suit and tie sounds like him, always smartly dressed.

                                When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
                                I'm out.

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