Pavement protection

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  • #17485
    BorisBoris
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      @boris
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      Any one think that these will be anywhere/everywhere soon ?

      Catclaw

      I have very mixed feelings about their use !

      I can see that they could potentially prevent dangerous parking or terror attacks, but on the other hand they could be lethal if faulty and anything other than a vehicle activated them.

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      #17486
      RSBRSB
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        @bdthree
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        I can’t see that happening. If you was to put a brick through someone’s car window because the they parked outside your drive on the curb you would no doubt get a visit from the cop’s and I do not see how puncturing peoples tyres would be any different. Even with a sign up.

        P.S, Forget the above, you would not be able to get your car out of the drive to go anywhere any how 🙂

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        #17489
        BorisBoris
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          @boris
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          I think the idea is that they go where there are double yellow lines or “sensitive” locations, not outside Joe Public’s houses ?

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          #17490
          RSBRSB
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            @bdthree
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            You could be correct Boris 😉

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            #17497
            Dave RiceDave Rice
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              @ricedg
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              Bursting a cars tyres doesn’t stop it.

              I was in London a couple of weeks ago and the bridges have protection now.

              #17498
              Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                @bullstuff2
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                Not sure if I am legally correct in this, but puncturing someone’s tyres is actually Criminal Damage and only legal when used by police forces, trying to stop a lawbreaking driver. In other circumstances, it would need legislation enacted for, say, a Council Highways Department to fit these things. That would be very difficult to achieve, as the organisation trying to get the law changed would have to show sufficient cause. We all know how hard it is to get facilities like traffic lights and Traffic Calming measures, until at least half a dozen fatalities have been experienced. TBH, I would much rather Highways sorted out the potholes and rugged surface of a road I regularly drive in Louth. The patches that have been applied to some of the potholes, are seriously worse than were the potholes.

                I do get really angry with drivers who park with half their cars onto a pavement. In Louth town this was a problem until Parking Wardens were employed. It’s a Georgian town with narrow streets and very narrow pavements: two people walking abreast cannot be passed without walking into the road and the traffic. Which brings me to another activity that annoys me: groups of four or more people who block the pavement by  having a conversation across the pavement and standing in the way of others. Add to that, the Buggy Brigade, who wheel their offspring about in vehicles the size of small cars, two abreast, often while on the phone. The town is definitely not Disabled-friendly. And don’t get me started on pedestrians who decide to cross the road behind my car, when I am waiting for the pedestrians with more than half a brain to cross the “zebra” in front of my car.

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                #17507
                RichardRichard
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                  @sawboman
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                  Bob, I agree with much of what you wrote, the level of what I will chose to call civic awareness is lamentable. On Friday I went into a nearby town for the first time in more years than I care to remember, I have passed a bit of its decaying edge on the way from the hospital to the bus station but had avoided the god awfulness that is the main drag.

                  Are we looking at this the wrong way? I thought that the spikes were intended for use in sensitive areas by the civic authorities as an alternative to more intrusive posts or barriers rather than to protect private access rights. Placed at the edge of pedestrian areas to slow up random attacks by the deranged they could have a limited purpose to restrict the effectiveness of an attack by slowing and restricting an attacker’s control of their weapon. Some tyre rippers are used at the ‘wrong way’ entrances, (exits) from car parks. They breakup rather than stop trucks movements and would trip up walkers so are not suitable for protecting pedestrian areas. However their use does appear to make the tyre damage angle moot.

                  #17510
                  Ed PEd P
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                    @edps
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                    I read them as things to be positioned on kerbs, and so help stop idiot SUV/4×4/White Van drivers who never seem to be able to park without swinging dangerously onto a pavement. As such I would love to see them on every UK kerb! The only problem is the amount of signage they would generate.

                    Similar claws can sometimes be seen in US hired-car parks to prevent stop people using the way-in as an illegal exit point.

                    #17513
                    The DukeThe Duke
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                      @sgb101
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                      Given the guy in the demo is able to push it down with his finger, imagine a child falling hand first onto one!

                      I could see this do something what would of workers in the 60s etc.. But in todays Health and safety blame culture. No.

                      Remember broken glass cemented on to the top of walls. That is actually doing a better more important job, that stopping a car, and that’s a practice long banished to the past.

                      The simple answer to curb barking is actually make it illegal all over the country . I think atm greater london its illegal and policed. The majority of the contrary its not. So for that alone, you can’t use spikes to stop someone not breaking a law.

                      Annoying as it is you cant stop or make move a car that is blocking an empty drive. I know this ad my neighbour doesn’t own a car, and had a drive fitted just to stop people parting on the road outside there property. She called the police on me to move my car. She was all smug, until they told her all they could do was ask me too.

                      I asked the policeman do I have to, but he did I can’t block in, which I wouldn’t. But given they don’t own a car or licence, their drive is used about 4 times a year, when there son comes.

                      It’s amazing they coped 60 years with a car, but only decided to put in a drive 12 after they lost there licences.

                       

                       

                      #17520
                      Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                        @bullstuff2
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                        Louth town centre is a “compact” town, that is an ancient place with narrow streets, originally made for horses and horse-drawn vehicles, also well below sea level. This causes problems from flooding by the River Lud at the lowest point, to housing: old buildings are currently being either torn down, or completely rebuilt, into apartments and flats. This is to provide homes for an expanding population, there is a lot of modern industry coming into the area and those who are coming here for jobs, have to have somewhere to live. Housing on the higher outskirts, is becoming more expensive.

                        This means that many  of the flats and apartments in the centre, are in blocks with gated or barriered access to their own car parking. The barriers are either “spring up” mechanisms, accessed by a recessed locked plate, or “fold-down” ones, locked down for exit and locked in the upright position to prevent illegal use. Surely a derivative from one of these options would be a much better solution?

                        IMO, the best security is provided by educating Joe Public into awareness. The message should be dinned into all of us, by media ads and posters, to be aware that we are in what is tantamount to a war situation. There are people who want to maim and kill as many of us as possible and their weapon of choice is currently a vehicle, preferably a heavy one. Possibly accompanied by explosives. The attitude of “It cannot happen here” is wrong: it can. There are so many different groups that wish to cause harm in the name of their Cause, add to those the simply bonkers groups who have convinced and deluded themselves that society is doing something, or allowing something to be done, that they don’t like.

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                        #17528
                        DrezhaDrezha
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                          @drezha
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                          The message should be dinned into all of us, by media ads and posters, to be aware that we are in what is tantamount to a war situation. There are people who want to maim and kill as many of us as possible and their weapon of choice is currently a vehicle, preferably a heavy one. Possibly accompanied by explosives. The attitude of “It cannot happen here” is wrong: it can. There are so many different groups that wish to cause harm in the name of their Cause, add to those the simply bonkers groups who have convinced and deluded themselves that society is doing something, or allowing something to be done, that they don’t like. No. I’m not paranoid, I’m being realistic.

                          As a cyclist, I agree with this statement. However, we just call them “drivers”.

                          ?

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                          #17530
                          Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                            @bullstuff2
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                            Lolz, Chris!

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                            #17531
                            BorisBoris
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                              @boris
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                              traffic

                              Louth town centre is a “compact” town, that is an ancient place with narrow streets

                              Sounds a lot like Lydney – the narrow main road through the town in places only has room for 2 cars (one each way). Some of the pavement is also so narrow that you can’t get 2 people side by side. When lorries/vans stop to do deliveries – even though they park partly on the pavement, you get instant vehicle tail backs.  It is not at all safe for pedestrians, yet alone pleasant to walk through.

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                              #17532
                              Ed PEd P
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                                @edps
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                                That be verderer territory, near where they killed the bears!

                                When I was a young lad you could still get into a fight by asking ‘who killed the bear’, because at that time the tale had morphed into the menfolk hiding and their wives doing the killing!

                                #17533
                                BorisBoris
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                                  @boris
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                                  That be verderer territory, near where they killed the bears!

                                  My grand-father who was born in Cinderford was adamant that 2 bears is bare faced fiction – it was only the one ?

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                                  #17540
                                  Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                                    @bullstuff2
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                                    A Sunday walk around Louth town:

                                    Ignore the audio, or turn it off: I don’t know the guy who made it, but he mumbles all the way through it.

                                    I can’t find a YT during a Market day, but the scenes showing all the Estate Agencies are where it is held: the Cornmarket. Wednesdays are the biggest and best Market days. On a sunny Wednesday it is packed.

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                                    #17641
                                    wasbitwasbit
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                                      @wasbit
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                                      And don’t get me started on pedestrians who decide to cross the road behind my car, when I am waiting for the pedestrians with more than half a brain to cross the “zebra” in front of my car.

                                      Not sure I understand your point. Is it just because you think they are being lazy? I believe in the UK you can cross the road anywhere it’s safe to do so with the exception of those places where it’s specifically prohibited. However in France you defy a gendarme directing traffic at your peril if he hasn’t signaled that you may cross.

                                      What annoys me is those drivers who pull up & get out of their car despite whatever traffic might have to swerve or pull up sharply to avoid hitting their opening door. Then on their return they deliberately walk in the middle of the road to stop the traffic so they can get back in their vehicle. If anyone did the same to them they would go ballistic.

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                                      #17651
                                      The DukeThe Duke
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                                        @sgb101
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                                        I don’t get that either bob. Actually, I’m the opposite. Adults that use zebra crossing when its not need bug me. Crossing are for kids, the old, the disabled, or for very busy roads, most roads a healthy adult can just cross with out the need to slow traffic.

                                        However when people walk half way across the road (which I do), when on side is clear, and wait until the other side is clear, and time their walk, to just pass the back of a car, I always get this childish urge to dab my breaks, so they bump into the car. Obviously I wouldn’t, as it could scratch or dent my car. But oh the urge is so strong.

                                        However I think the way I described above is a perfectly adequate way to cross a road. Health adults don’t need a crossing unless its rush hour, or a duel carriageway set up type road.

                                        #17661
                                        Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                                          @bullstuff2
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                                          You guys don’t know my town: as I have said, narrow streets, but the Town Planner must have been severely off his face, the One way system is not systematic and drives strangers crazy, you can see them circling the town 3 or 4 times, asking directions. Rule of thumb: never ask anyone under 60 for directions here.)

                                          On market days, the town is packed with locals from the town and surrounding villages trying to shop, with visitors rubbernecking and stepping into the road. Traffic is bumper to bumper, circling the town trying to find parking spaces. People are diving between cars, trucks and buses wherever and whenever they feel like it. We console ourselves with the fact that the other Wolds town, Horncastle, is worse.

                                          Most market days, it is easier for me to drive 20+ miles to Grimsby.

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                                          #17667
                                          Ed PEd P
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                                            @edps
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                                            “but the Town Planner must have been severely off his face”

                                            Don’t blame your town planner, unfortunately such decisions are made by your County Highways Dept ‘Engineer’ who in my experience has obtained a BS(failed) in Highway Engineering from some obscure overseas uni and isn’t fit to shovel effluvium. However he/she has the requisite number of points in being disadvantaged in many ways and is above all cheap.

                                            Unfortunately once he/she has tenure you have to write them a reference that says they can walk on water and hope some other LGA picks them up in order to get rid of them.  They cannot be sacked by any elected officials!

                                            Sorry about the rant but you managed to hit one of my hot points – Local Government and Civil Service incompetence.

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