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February 3, 2018 at 9:02 pm #16555
I have been sent a Trust Deed document to sign and be witnessed.
There are boxes for Signature -Signature of Witness – Address – Date.
They are samll boxes so not enough room, postcode has been entered in the date box and the date below (not in a box)

Will this need doing again or will it be ok.
Also it asks for the witness full name, they forgot to enter their middle name, should it be done again.
Cheers
JohnFebruary 4, 2018 at 8:06 am #16557I’m not a lawyer , but probably best to redo. You can probably abbreviate the address a bit e.g. flat 3, 5 Road, Postcode
I share the problem with stupidly small signature boxes. My normal signature is about three times larger than the boxes that are provided (both height and width). As a result my ‘signatures’ are cramped versions of my usual glorious, generous sig. This is a particular problem on credit cards etc, but it does not really matter as I do not recollect anyone ever comparing the sigs!
February 4, 2018 at 9:43 am #16558I agree with ED, many forms do have stupidly tiny boxes for many aspects, they appear to have been created to prevent reliable completion.
After five hand operations, two on my eyes and a couple on my spine, writing is now possible, but not always comfortable or reliable. I tend to scan forms and complete them on the computer, only adding such as the signature by hand. That way if they show a tiny box for anything I use a tiny computer font and fit in most of the details, the signature may still sprawl out slightly, but I have not had a problem. This has worked for a range of forms to date, probate, and HMRC, NS&I, disabled user bus passes, hospitals, insurance claim forms and so on. No one has ever questioned that method of working except to say it was nice to have a readable form for once.
I had a look at my credit cards to see if I had even signed mine, (yes I had) and after years of doing so I did manage to do something similar on all of them. My problem was that at one time not all pens would work reliably on the surface and if the hand ‘had a moment’, the result could be suspect.
February 4, 2018 at 9:58 am #16559Deviating a bit, Chinese script sigs are even more difficult to do in miniature. Citibank used to provide a huge bit of (separate) paper for the signature then photograph, reduce in size and print as part of the credit card (along with a picture). Their credit cards were probably as secure as they could make given the problems of card cloning in Asia.
February 4, 2018 at 10:13 am #16560Thanks all I will re do them. I would like to fill them in on computer. I will try, it is in PDF maybe I can convert (with open office and try that.
The other problem (I noticed) though, when I filled in details (online) it asked for Name / Surname. They have filled that in (their end). When you come to the signature it asks for Full name to be printed when signing, they have printed my name & surname, my full name has a middle name (missing on their print) on filling in it didn’t ask for middle name, hence it’s not there
Could this be a ploy to get out of paying up.
Cheers
JohnFebruary 4, 2018 at 10:52 am #16562John, I agree with Richard fill in on your PC and use a small font for the bits that do not fit. If it is a Government form, or one involving money then I would be pedantic about all the details and fill in the full address, and witness name (other than the sig & block capital bit). Open Office allows you to read in a PDF (you may need to change the file type in the ‘open’ box), which you can then fill in and print.
Middle names do not matter if you do not normally use them, and are NOT legally required. About the only time they may be useful is if (say) your name is John Smith as you may want to differentiate yourself from the other thousand(s) with that name.
February 4, 2018 at 11:19 am #16564John, I they are already *.PDF files you can use something like Foxit reader to type directly into the form. The item is free to download, there are other PDF file editors that can be used. It is a little more difficult if the form has some sort of protection, a few do. Then you must print them out and rescan – as a *.PDF if you wish.
It is well worth spending a few moments to get the knack of editing such forms and a lot of time proof reading the result, – ideally on another day so you read the errors as errors as errors and do not just accept them. (Used the joke that the fastest way to find error in a document was to print out several copies and watch the printer spew out the errors.)
February 4, 2018 at 8:05 pm #16576What I had to do was copy & paste into paintshop, sadly I can’t get a small font. It doesn’t look to bad.
Thanks for the suggestion foxit sounds good, too pricey for the purpose. I am dl and experimenting with some PDF editors see if any are free to use.
Cheers
JohnFebruary 4, 2018 at 8:17 pm #16577John, you should be able to just open a pdf file in OpenOffice. Only if it is protected will you get problems. It is worth figuring out how to do it as an increasing number of Government forms come in that way. LibreOffice certainly does, all you have to remember is switch to the edit mode once you have opened the file.
February 4, 2018 at 9:08 pm #16578What I had to do was copy & paste into paintshop, sadly I can’t get a small font. It doesn’t look to bad. Thanks for the suggestion foxit sounds good, too pricey for the purpose. I am dl and experimenting with some PDF editors see if any are free to use.
I use the free version, for which I still get updates so I assume it is still available. I would not put forward a costly option. Use this link and click on the Free version, https://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf-reader/
That is what I did.
Richard
February 4, 2018 at 10:16 pm #16579Thanks Ed
I have Open Office, just updated it. I can’t (yet) figure out how edit works.
I will try libre too.Thanks Richard
I dl from your link, again I can’t (yet) figure out how edit works.
I dl one earlier (can’t remember name) it was prety good and edited in the the same as was text.
Sadly when I came to save it, unless I paid about £50 it was going to watermark it.
I will keep at it.
Thanks for the heelp, much appreciated.
Cheers
JohnFebruary 5, 2018 at 8:04 am #16580All the steps are given in this link. It is actually easier in LibreOffice which is where I referred to switching to edit mode.
I mistakenly thought the two programs (OpenOffice and LibreOffice) were nearly identical, I see now that they diverge quite a bit for handling/editing PDFs. My bad!
February 5, 2018 at 8:19 am #16582All I can say is that I am sorry that it would not work for you. I simply load up the reader – not the PDF editor version, then I select typewriter and bang in the text. I have used the picture editing mode in other programmes and, like you, I found problems with that way of working. The results were fuzzy rather than sharp. I hope that one way or another you can find a workable solution.
February 5, 2018 at 9:14 am #16585Thanks Ed & Richard
I dl Libre and that does it, I need to study open office and foxit and find how to use them. I have had Open Office for some time, never really used it.
I am now spoilt for choice.
Much Appreciated
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