A curry a day keeps Brain-Rot at Bay!

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  • #16202
    Ed PEd P
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      @edps
      Forumite Points: 39

      Alternative titles could be ‘Cut the worry have a Curry’, or’ Have you had your daily Mulligatawny?’

      Given the high social and economic costs of Altzheimers to both families and the NHS, one has to wonder if the Nasty Party is not in a criminal conspiracy with big Pharma to hush up the research that has been done on the positive benefits of turmeric. The reality is probably just the long-standing hatred that the medical profession has for alternative medicine has got in the way of patient care.

      For some years it has been known that the prevalence of Altzheimers is much lower in people from the Sub-Continent.

      “Epidemiological studies indicate a lower prevalence of Alzheimer disease in Indian people who consume curcumin in curry and a link between dietary curry consumption and better cognitive performance in older adults, supporting the hypothesis that curcumin consumption may provide neuroprotective benefits”

      Research last year in a full scientific study identified curcumin (Turmeric) is the active agent that does all the good stuff.

       

      [edit] Sorry we seem to have lost link hilighting again, ‘full scientific study’ is actually a link

      Great news for me as the wife makes a wicked Mulligatawny.  Five/day plus turmeric cannot be bad!

       

       

      #16204
      JayCeeDeeJayCeeDee
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        @jayceedee
        Forumite Points: 230

        Well it may keep “Brain Rot” at bay, but “Gut Rot” takes its place, in my case.

        In my youth I used to have curries, chili con carnes, ask for extra onions on cheese and onion rolls and have garlic bread like toast. If I made myself an omelette I’d have mixed herbs and worcester sauce in with it. The wife makes casseroles and stews, but if she adds too much herbs, I don’t like them now.

        Over the years I have stopped eating curries first, then chili con carne, cheese has lost its appeal now and I don’t often bother with garlic bread.

        All of the above now give me wind, indigestion and occasional reflux. Turmeric I can spot a mile off – even if it’s a tiny amount and the taste starts off “chemical-like”, then just turns nasty. I guess there’s no hope for me here……….. sorry who am I again???!!

        #16206
        Ed PEd P
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          @edps
          Forumite Points: 39

          You can possibly try the more expensive and less tasty option – Curcumin capsules

          Re your reflux problems: my local gut consultant prescribed Motillium, a mild laxative that speeds up the gut. He told me to use it (infrequently) when I accidentally consume anything in a restaurant that causes reflux. (For me, red/green peppers concealed in a jus are the beginning of four hours of unremitting pain. Paradoxically I can eat chillies till the cows come home with no ill effects). He also said my problems were probably initiated by time spent overseas and too many antibiotics screwing up my gut flora,. He recommended yoghurts laced with probiotics – over time this has actually helped eliminate some of the food intolerances I had developed.

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          #16208
          JayCeeDeeJayCeeDee
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            @jayceedee
            Forumite Points: 230

            The  wife uses “live” yoghurts for various problems – dietary and feminine-specific – I just find it boring and adds little. The only time it works for me is with honey, over fresh raspberries. Having said that, my cholesterol is slightly high, (5.9 ) and the good/bad ratio is also slightly high (4.8 ) so I can see some pro-biotic yoghurt drinks in my not too distant future!! With slightly higher blood pressure 132/98 there’s gonna be some other changes too – dietary and exercise!!

            #16209
            RichardRichard
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              @sawboman
              Forumite Points: 16

              John, I am with you on that problem. I used to like onions in large quantities, I now have to have them in measured doses only, which is a shame because their anti viral qualities are well known.

              Garlic is one that I never could stand, it makes me perspire like nothing on earth and then of course I spend the night drinking water by the gallon to calm, not cure the thirst.

              Once you move into the exotic range with things like turmeric, then it might make me feel like I am living for ever as I spend the time doubled over, wondering if the loo would be a good idea or a cyanide pill. For several years my wife and I have been unable to go out for a meal as we have had to watch over our daughter 24 hours per day. We have taken her out with us a few times, but her stability is not assured. Anyway last Wednesday we decided that as she was being looked after by a support worker we would go out for a lunchtime meal. We were behind the schedule for our first choice meal so tried a Pizza somewhere else – big error. Something in the flavourings had me out of action for the rest of the day.

              One thing that too many ignore is that different groups have evolved to digest things that are endemic to their lives. Others may develop a tolerance over time but many will not, some will go the other way and develop severe reactions such as anaphylaxis. Most northern Europeans can drink milk and eat cheese, other peoples cannot digest them so easily. Some can breakdown alcohol more easily than others, probably because fermented grains and other otherwise indigestible thing were a major source of nutrition in this country for much of historical times. The process of fermentation was also thought to have helped purify the water killing off water born infections.

              In other extreme cases things like thalassaemia became endemic because those with the condition resisted malaria better. So they were able to (painfully) reproduce more children, so the list goes on, The Japanese sometimes eat a bracken, unfortunately it is implicated as a cause of stomach cancer, our liking for alcohol is no longer a life saver, etc. the lists are so easily bi-directional.

              Many medicines have derived from once natural substances, (aspirin, antibiotics, digitalis, etc.) that have side effects muted and beneficial properties enhanced. Whilst I would be one of the first to admit that side effects are not always eliminated I would also be near the front of the queue to point out that each individual’s genetic make up will be a key to that issue. Some react negatively to treatments because of other co-existing conditions, one daughter cannot use minocycline, several of the family abreact to sedatives, etc. Unfortunately the study of genetic, ethnicity, or food ingestion patterns in relation to conditions and treatments, let alone tests for them is heavily frowned on by the so called social networking crowd.

              I am unaware of any move to ban or bar otherwise safe foodstuffs from being ingested by anyone who so desires, though adulterated products do emerge from time to time only to cause severe problems. Adulteration with dangerous industrial colourings being a recent issue that caused problems with imported sub-continent flavourings. Which in my purely personal experience detract rather than add to the food stuffs.

              #16211
              Ed PEd P
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                @edps
                Forumite Points: 39

                “I am unaware of any move to ban or bar otherwise safe foodstuffs from being ingested by anyone who so desires, though adulterated products do emerge from time to time only to cause severe problems.”

                Our food police have already done that with salt and sugar with the result that my once favourite Heinz Baked Beans are now on my list of vile products to be avoided like the plague! (Branston baked beans are a somewhat acceptable substitute but reduction in salt adversely affects the cooking chemistry).

                The reduction in salt was implemented based on somewhat dodgey science as numerous studies even show dangers in not ingesting enough salt. link That said, unfortunately the need to reduce sugar intake is more soundly science and research based.

                #16213
                RichardRichard
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                  @sawboman
                  Forumite Points: 16

                  If you are prepared to add extra salt , sugar or anything else to everything  you are allowed to do so and at your own risk.However, its removal for those with different tastes is, shall be agree, is rather difficult. I have not bought Heinz Beans for a good many years, preferring the taste of other suppliers, they use less of the seasoning so beloved by some.

                  The addition of salt and sugar to processed food, once used as a preservative is no longer needed. Your response appears almost an almost Pavlovian response or a trained pseudo-addiction. Why should others suffer and perhaps die because you chose an unhealthy diet? Give people an honest choice, why not or is compulsion your way, provided it conforms to your view? I noted the snide reference to the ‘food police‘ I can just imagine the antisocial networking response if medical support was withdrawn for those enjoying the self harm from their excesses. For example if their was any move to withdraw treatment for the over weight women stuffing bags of chips through the fence for their over weight kids.

                  Having almost eliminated the purchase and addition of sugar to drinks for the past 40 years or for that matter the addition of salt to food stuffs we find almost all much commercial food (00ps, big industry again) dreadfully over sweet and salty. Christmas treats are anything but treats as a result. I now find eating out a total lottery as to whether I can find anything edible because of the take over of so called seasoned food, where unpleasant additions (extract of burnt car tyres?) are made to hide the original flavours of the food ingredients. At least you can, should you so wish add the horrible nasties to your own food. Why should I suffer compulsory consumption of unnecessary? Do you really believe that there is no issue with over eating or the consumption of excess empty calories?

                  I noticed you did not respond to the point about adulterated imported food stuffs.

                  By the way not all dementia is Alzheimer’s. There are inherited forms, perhaps all are inherited in some way or another, just like thalassaemia; perhaps diet is completely unimportant. Some dementia is vascular dementia, caused by high blood pressure and related to excess salt and possibly genetic factors involved in metabolism; are you suggesting that they do not happen elsewhere due solely to diet?

                   

                  #16217
                  The DukeThe Duke
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                    @sgb101
                    Forumite Points: 5

                    Love curries, however over the last 3 years I seem to have a reaction to chillies, but an antihistamine sort that out.

                    Now serious talk. Sadly I hated mushrooms until about 18, then garlic mushroom became one of my favourite foods ever. But since I turned about 30 they just destroy my stomach. If anyone one knows why this is id pay for the answer. I love garlic mushrooms. Thy make everything better, except my stomach.

                    #16218
                    RichardRichard
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                      @sawboman
                      Forumite Points: 16

                      Your reaction to things, foods, stings and in fact anything is not fixed, you can change your responses to a stimulus. It could be that the mushrooms are different, the garlic is different or that they are all produced by some distant factory which uses a particular oil or fat. I cannot digest some oils, your issue could be something similar. However, as someone whose garlic tolerance does not exist, I have to say it could. just could be the garlic. I believe that there are desensitising programmes which can aim to adjust your responses. Try them at your and your wallet’s peril. I like my mushrooms lightly poached or perhaps crunchy fire with a coating. I discovered how nice they can be by accident, my wife ordered them but due to a physical throat issue could not eat them, her loss, my gain.

                      That sparked a thought, you possibly have a physical issue in your stomach, perhaps brought on by other treatments or life itself. Erosions, ulcers and the like could play a part, even hernias or changes to gut flora could affect the issue.

                      #16219
                      The DukeThe Duke
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                        @sgb101
                        Forumite Points: 5

                        Funny enough , I love curry that much that I bought a very large bag of capsicum tablets and at first id have a reaction to them but I kept going on morning one night, and after a month or so I was eating curries and the tablets with out reaction. I ran out and never got any more, and again I have a reaction to anything with a decent amount of chilli .

                         

                        The mudroom business is strange, id simple chop mushrooms, usually button, a clove of garlic dices, chuck in a pan, until soft. I can eat, all the same stuff separate, with out issue, but cook together gives gut rot. No toilet issues , its as if it digests really slow and sits their tormenting.

                        I miss my mushrooms.

                        #16222
                        Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                          @bullstuff2
                          Forumite Points: 0

                          I had to stop eating curry after R&R in Hong Kong: I ate a pile of street vendor chicken wings and came out with a really painful, allover body rash, worst around my mouth and nose. Allergy investigation by an Army medic found the culprit to be 2 components of curry. Now I am much older and have virtually destroyed innards, I would be barred from anything spicy anyway, according to one of my consultants. That joins alcohol on the list of prohibited food and drink. I used to love curry. I once stayed with an Army mate in Bradford, at his mum’s apartments above a Bangladeshi restaurant where she worked as cleaner and caretaker. The meals sent up from below were absolutely wonderful.

                          Ed I understand your antipathy towards the modern Food Police and their methods to extend the Nanny State, but I also understand the reasons for removing much sugar and salt. I see you are a lover of Baked Beans, as am I, but I still buy the only small tins I can get, which are those with reduced s&s. To bring back the “real” taste, I melt a little butter and squirt a little Heinz Tomato Ketchup into the pan of beans, whilst heating them. (By butter I actually mean Clover, and not “Clover Lite”. It fools my taste buds and makes the minimum contribution as a ‘Healthy Spread’)

                          Richard I understand your own reaction, I also understand that you are maybe having a Bad Day amongst many Bad days. However, Ed is entitled to his own food preferences, as are are we all.

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                          #16225
                          Dave RiceDave Rice
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                            @ricedg
                            Forumite Points: 7

                            I should be immune from brain rot then.

                            #16226
                            Ed PEd P
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                              @edps
                              Forumite Points: 39

                              Richard I’ll emphasise that in my post I stated  (the) reduction in salt adversely affects the cooking chemistry.

                              You need some at the start of cooking because it participates in the cooking process: It is necessary for browning effects, caramelization, and the generation of the flavour enhancing Maillard reactions (break-down of amino acids to complex sugars). It is of course essential when baking with yeast.

                              Cooks have a different take on your suggestion of after-seasoning and recommend against it – it does not diffuse into the product but stays as a too salty layer on the outside. Things do not taste as good.

                              I have no problem with providing low salt foods for those who need them (about 10-15% of the population), but why unnecessarily inflict it on the general population?

                              I recommend reading this article as it gives both sides of the salt debate in I think a fairly dispassionate way.

                              Re other forms of dementia I suggested nothing I just quoted the turmeric research in the paper I linked. If you read that it merely states a lower rate is found in people from the sub-continent (not an elimination). Assuming that turmeric has beneficial effects only in certain types of brain disorders then that could explain why it does not completely eliminate the problem, but it would appear to have a beneficial impact on those that are most common otherwise the effect on the general sub-continent population would not have been noted.

                              I did not bother to comment on adulteration as that is a totally extraneous matter, and equally I did not criticize the reduction in sugar:

                              “That said, unfortunately the need to reduce sugar intake is more soundly science and research based..

                              Perhaps the word unfortunately was out of place, but it would  have been nice if the flavour boost did not carry real health risks (not just obesity but also adverse impacts on gut flora and commensurate risks of arterial plaque formation) .

                              For Steve – garlic is loaded with FODMAP check out if you are sensitive to other high fodmap foods and their general categories. link

                              As to cause – probably antibiotics as they can totally screw-up the way your gut works. A fecal transplant may be required to completely sort it, but you could try probiotics.

                              #16314
                              RichardRichard
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                                @sawboman
                                Forumite Points: 16

                                There are several issues in play here, cooks and chiefs are an ultra conservative lot and very resistant to changing their ways unless they decide on the change. Historically changes have had to take place, once meat was spit roasted over a wood fire, the introduction of coal saw off that process in short order and the oven surge was born.

                                The addition of the odd amount of added salt to special foods probably does not amount to a hill of beans, though I have never yet added salt to something before browning, e.g onions and they still give me the results I wanted. I detest crisped skin on meats, it is a bit too much like beetle wing cases. Overly crisped meat, whether bacon or anything else is not to my taste its too much like a wasted product.

                                The issue is its addition of large amounts to everything. In some cases a hang over from its use to preserve stuffs from spoiling. Usually the amount of salt added during cooking will lie below 25% of people’s intake. However if you eat many other processed items, bread, cereals, tinned goods, etc. they will likely exceed the 6gm RDA. In the end it is up to people to make their own choices, though I resent the mass medication by unnecessary excess addition to almost everything. I vote with my pocket and opt out of such as processed cereals and as much processed crap as possible, I cannot say I am a fan of eating out either, though that’s due in part to our unpredictable disabled daughter which makes it stressful.

                                #16323
                                Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                                  @bullstuff2
                                  Forumite Points: 0

                                  Several things on your Detest List that I have done or eaten over the years Richard!

                                  I grew up in an NCB estate house, dad was a miner. Coal fires and a coal oven, toasting pikelets* (erroneously named ‘crumpets’ by most) over the red embers of a coal fire. Frying chips and anything else available, (in lard) on the same fire, in a well-used, blackened chip pan. Cooking a chicken or other poultry, and bacon, to the point of a crispy skin, in a coal oven: to this day I love crispy chicken skin. I was fortunate enough to have an Army cook as a mate during most of 2 postings of 8 years’ total in BAOR. My breakfast bacon was always crispy if Dave was on duty, just like at home. Had he been better looking, and had each of us been of that inclination, I may well have married him. ??? Fortunately, he was overweight, ugly and both of us were heterosexual. But he was an outstanding cook.

                                  I never add salt to cooking, nor do I add it to any meals and neither does SWMBO. Our parents’ generation added salt to cooking, especially potatoes and vegetables. My own parents never understood cooking by gas or electric, which is why a close eye had to be kept on them daily when they moved to a brand new Sheltered Housing flat. The sight of my dad attempting to “grill some eggs” under a gas oven grill, was enough to demonstrate that.

                                  Cereals are another matter. I used to love Honey Shreddies, but they have been removed from the shelves and I cannot now find them anywhere. So I eat “ordinary” Shreddies, with a ¼ teaspoon of sugar. I only eat wholemeal bread from a local baker. I am guilty of eating thin slices of lean boiled ham or roast beef, from a local butcher, on granary rolls (rolls are “cobs” in Nottinghamshire).

                                  I make my food decisions based not upon what the veggie and Healthy eating brigade think I should eat, but what I like and what is proven to not upset my wrecked digestion. My one vice is McVities Digestive and/or Hovis biccies. I really do not know how I got to be almost 73: grew up eating food fried with lard, toast with beef dripping or lashings of butter, cooking with salt, the list goes on.

                                  *Pikelets were invented by Cromwell’s Model Army during the English Civil War. Lumps of aerated dough in a simple but special recipe, cooked over an open fire on the end of a 10 to 12 foot Pike. First used, I believe, in the siege of Newark Castle, hence the word is recognised all over the eastern East Midlands.

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                                  #16325
                                  Ed PEd P
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                                    @edps
                                    Forumite Points: 39

                                    Spit-roast pig/ox over a wood fire — yum. Much nicer than the same thing cooked in a boring gas/electric oven.

                                    Just goes to show that the cooking process can make the world of difference. I can still remember the distinctive but not unpleasant taste of a can of strong tea brewed on a ship-yard foundry fire. Hot iron has a taste and smell of its own! Even an onion baked in the hot ashes then a knob of butter added tastes quite different from onions done in any other way. (memories of a 14 years-old gofer on a steel riveting crew – summer holidays were times for working not swanning around on a beach)

                                    #16326
                                    JayCeeDeeJayCeeDee
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                                      @jayceedee
                                      Forumite Points: 230

                                       

                                      Best jacket potatoes ever – done in the embers of a bonfire, wrapped in tinfoil, butter melted in and baked beans on top/inside. Sometimes we cooked the beans in their tin in the same fire.

                                      #16329
                                      RichardRichard
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                                        @sawboman
                                        Forumite Points: 16

                                        Bob, there is a difference between a coal roast on a spit over a coal fire and anything toasted in front of the heat of the fire. I believe that vertical spits were tried at one time to go at the side of coal fires. I well remember doing toast in front of a radiant fire(?) of nutty slack when the toast acted as a sort of flack jacket to stop the bits of slate pinging round the room. Using the heat of the fire, assuming you could get the stuff to burn, certainly saved on electricity for a grill, plus you could stay close to the heat source.

                                        I used to eat suet straight from the meat, it was not rendered and simply trimmed from the edge of the meat, either as it was or chopped onto toast. Dripping on toast is still a delicacy in my mind.

                                        Never having lived in a house with a fire pit big enough to sustain a wood fire spit roast, let alone purchase a lump of meat of a suitable size to roast on it, I’ll take your word for its qualities Ed. I understand that the wood used should be matched to the roast. Some people are keen on using smokers to cook meat but they need large lumps of time to set up and tend.

                                        I have not heard the term pikelets for years, we used to get them and see them on sale, but they have drifted out of my sight over the years. Correction: I now see that Tesco sell both, I guess I just did not look. Pikelets are thinner and slightly freer form items dropped on a hot surface whereas the crumpet was done in a ring and somewhat thicker. According to ‘The village Bakeryhttp://www.villagebakery.co.uk/blog/bakery-blog/pikelet-vs-crumpet-whats-the-difference/ Crumpets were originally hard, it was not until the Victorian era that they became soft and spongy as we know them today. There are suggestions that the name was from a Welsh original that became corrupted, again from ‘The village Bakery‘ “the pikelet is believed to be of Welsh origin where it was known as ‘bara piglydd, later anglicised as pikelets’”. I guess you take your choice on the historic origins of the name.

                                        I agree the ember roast potatoes take some beating, the foil keeps the skins edible, but just thrown into the embers and left, (not for too long!) gives them a unique flavour. The skin come off and gets discarded, but the inside has its own unique flavour, well worth the effort of preparing it – if you have the facilities. I have not had bonfires or ember roasted spuds for a very long time, perhaps 55 or 60 years ago. Back then life could be fun at times.

                                        I’m no longer a biscuit person, I stopped them a while ago, I used to enjoy chocolate wholemeal but now they taste very sugary, but have less chocolate flavour than I remembered things change, not always for the best.

                                        #16331
                                        PlaneManPlaneMan
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                                          @planeman
                                          Forumite Points: 196

                                          Some people need a lot of salt, back in 2016 I helped Sean Conway on the cycling leg of his ridiculous triathlon around the UK. I cycled with him from Cardiff to Barry and gave him pointers on getting further easier (local knowledge). He has to add salt to virtually everything as his sweat contains 4 times as much salt as a normal persons and nobody knows why.

                                          #16334
                                          Ed PEd P
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                                            @edps
                                            Forumite Points: 39

                                            Ox and pig roasts are now done by professionals. Typically it will be an attraction at an out-door event and they tend to use quite decent hard wood in their fires. Of course the roasting is not done over a flaming fire but rather the hot embers after the flames have gone. I believe a number of farms have gone into this as an attractive add-on to their farm shops. — random example link

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