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December 24, 2016 at 3:22 pm #1579
It’s generally beloved that the Xbox 360 won the war of that generation , it’s regarded as the best console and propel think it shifted the most units.
Which is a lie, actually Sony sold slightly more, but both wash close to 80million units. So we could call it a draw.
But that would be wrong, as Microsoft’s launched the 360 18 months (or so) before the ps3, so actually Sony is the winner on that score if you rather the sales number average of each year of production.
Plus, and this is a huge plus, and brought me to think of this, the 360 was crap, I had two fixed by ms for the “red ring of death ” issue , plus they just didn’t last as long as the ps3 did.
Their month I’ve been re lagging and baordinf my loft, the first job was to eptey 15 years of crap out of there, plus some of the last occupants.
Today I was order to get the crap out the house, (it’s been a mess for two weeks) and I’m that crap was 3 dead 360s , I looked under my lounge TV and chugging away with YouTube playing is the origanl week 1 ps3.So considering ms sole the same number over a longer period (actually about 2million less) , I think 7 years to ms’s 8.5 year, plus the red ring of death exchanges, and everyone I know bought multiple over the 7 hear period .I’d action reckon the 360 only had a user name of half of not less than the 80million sales figure.
The dukes daily thought.
Also l that money in R and D for such small number, today 80million shipped units is tiny , I’m surprised we got a new gen, and will be further surprised if we get a physical powerful box for the next gen. Well be getting a light wieht box that uses servers to Steam games to us on a subscription basis. Suns are great for accounting and raising funds off.
December 24, 2016 at 5:18 pm #1584The main selling point for the PS3 was the easy access to blue ray which probably helped bump up sales, for me MS won the war they did not suffer data breaches the way that Sony did, yes the red ring of death was annoying I suffered that too but on the PS3 I have had 2 hard drives replaced on warranty and the unit had to be repaired as the HDMI connection failed.
However, the market for consoles was changing at the time, from just games to full blown entertainment centers both missed this mark although Sony faired a little better probably due to the parent companies background. I think that MS have caught up and possibly overtaken the PS now.
For me the PS4 was a disappointment yes on paper it sounded better but in reality, the PS3 is still just as viable. I am not however saying the XB1 is any better it just corrected a lot of MS mistakes from the XB360 and repackaged it. Steam downloads would however, be preferable as it opens up the option to allow buy 1 copy and have multi-platform access.
Cheers Knight,
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December 24, 2016 at 5:23 pm #1585My most recent console is an XBox.
Most used is an Atari Lynx.
December 24, 2016 at 6:07 pm #1586steam|pc|ms won the games war, Steam are the biggest games seller there is.
We got a ps4 last Xmas (I think ), but my 2 of my kids was all in on 360 , as they could basically trade games for free on Amazon second hand .
But last year him and his friends jumped ship to sony for PS network , which is a super deal.
The only thing he (and his mates) moan about is ms have some extra content deal with the FIFA manageent mode.
He must be happy with it cos he asked for a pro version, he isn’t getting one, we don’t even own a 4k TV and I’m not planning on getting one , untill blupunt are knocking them out at £150 and we actuator need one.
My days of buying £700-1000 for a TV every two years are over . So he doesn’t need a pro.
January 1, 2017 at 1:39 pm #1733Well, by now some of you will no doubt have read Mark’s article “Are Games Consoles Still A Thing?” in the final Micro Mart. If you believe the figures in the magazine the Wii won the console war given it released later than the 360 and discontinued earlier than the other pair.
Was the Wii ever competition?
According to http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/ the PS3 won the battle by just over 1 million sales more, but talking with friends/family over the Christmas period, we were discussing the prohibitive cost of the PS4/XBoxOne. This led to the discussion of buying 2nd hand, something total sales figures don’t actually take into account. My 360 was brought new the PS3 was 2nd hand. I’m also certain that the same is true of other users. so can we ever know the real winner?
Someone had to stop wanting the PS3 for me to be able to purchase it, why did they no longer want it, I brought it before the PS4 release, so it hadn’t become redundant due to upgrade or did it. When we upgraded our living room TV, we obtained a SMART TV that gave me access to all the online services Amazon, NOW, Netflix so my need to keep the PS3 in there became redundant, luckily I’ve got kids and it went to work elsewhere, but what if I no longer have a use for it. I mainly use the PC for my Games/browsing backed up by a table/phone if I’m in the living room.
Console’s have always been released with a new game not normally available on the older console, or better hardware that offers the player something new, Kinect for example. With a PC you just open her up and swap the offending article bang off you go again no repeated outlay for games, all living in the cloud, most games don’t even need subscription fees to play online.
Having reflected on Mark’s article and the many discussions of beer and food, the only winners of this war were Microsoft and Sony, whose copious profits were bolstered by gamers whose only choice was to pay through the nose for 2 consoles, the replacements for which don’t on the face of it appear to be any better.
Cheers Knight,
RIP Spike09 Your Missed
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January 2, 2017 at 6:37 am #1745Ms are still to make a bean off the Xbox project. The money they injected into it is massive. And 80million units over 7 or 8 years makes the numbers tiny. Take a smart phone , if you only shifted 10m units in a year , your out of business, and their profits bet unit is large.
There is way over 2billion android devices sold over the last 10 years, about 1.3billion units are from Samsung. Apples figures are not far behind. Samsung’s span from £150 devices up to £800, I think apples average sales price is about £700 world wide. We actually have them quite cheap compared to many countries. China and Australia about £900, Brazil about £1200 or 1500usd. Not bad for something that cost about 150 to build and the same to ship and market. Big profits. The Xbox was sold way below cost without marketing and R and D.
I can only imagine the latest gen, where much cheaper to design given they are just mid range pcs, though most are really cheap now. A ps4 mk1 was selling with a game [infinity warfare] and a single controller for £180 on Amazon on the run up to Xmas. The Xbox about £220 with FIFA. The parts alone have to be worth more than that
Sadly I couldn’t track down an mm this week, I tried. Wanted a physical one, bit may grab a digital copy tomorrow/ later on.
January 2, 2017 at 12:29 pm #1750Steve – I grabbed an extra copy when I picked mine up. Let me know if you want it.
January 2, 2017 at 2:51 pm #1751Oddly I have two Xbox one S consoles – odd because I’ve never played a game on either and probably never will! The point about cost is interesting and why I replied. Before Christmas I got one from Argos for 229 – with an extra (boxed) controller, Fifa 17 and a Tom Clancy game. Sold the Fifa game (download card), the Tom Clancy game and the extra controller and after ebay/paypal I reckon the console (with the original included controller) cost £163 – mad. This one sits on my USA VPN and does all sorts of American things (very well) – I did by the £30 media remote/keyboard, but that is for me as a non-gamer – I could get that back by selling the original controller.
Bought a second for a different room, same price by no Tom Clancy game – net cost 175 (including original controller but selling the extra controller and Fifa 17). This one is English, and runs SkyGo, and a few other things. The streaming thing (to a Windows 10 PC) is good – but a shame you need two apps (Xbox and Smart Glass) to use it in full (even then Netflix, Sky and the like won’t stream).
Main point is no surprise MS never turn a profit on these things (or previous ones) – for what they are – even outside their main purpose – they are silly cheap. Ugly mind but very good.
The PS3 2nd hand now is still a great buy for what it does – shame it is a little noisy.
January 8, 2017 at 12:18 am #1933My last ever console was a Jaguar with cd because of my interest in all things Atari and I cant see me buying another. Infact I think consoles may be on a sticky wicket. Back in the 80s people thought home compuers would kill off consoles because why buy a console to play games when you could get a real computer that played them too ? I turns out that parents still wanted a toy they could buy their kids for christmas and the new consoles from saga and nintendo fitted the bill. Grannys too wanted a box they could wrap for the grand kids and a cartridge filled that need. Consoles now though really are just PCs in a different box and they no longer cost toy money. The games too are increasingly sold as downloads so granny gets no box. For casual gaming there are now phones and tablets and if you really want the best you cant beat a PC. So consoles are far from dead yet but wonder for how long ?
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January 8, 2017 at 6:55 am #1934Granny now buys them a Steam voucher.
Their mates gift each other things via the Steam store.
Everyone seems happy and the girlfriend is still there to buy the aftershave you’ll never buy yourself.
January 8, 2017 at 11:56 am #1935Steam is a great store, and revolutionised PC gaming. Before steam PC gaming was a pita. It still is to some extent, but so much simpler now.
I do think the next consoles won’t be the (semi) consoles of today, bit more a thinclient set up, with Sony servers runnkng their stuff, and ms will do similar , but I can’t help thinking ms is going to attempt to turn Xbox players into pc players via their one windows unitive. They will be trying to eat into steams lunch, and they have a good shot. If they can get all 360 forward to the last xbox one release in the Windows store , so it can run on pc.
By then, about 5 years time, even the modest PC will play Xbox one tripe A releases. This has just come to me, bit imagine if the next Xbox is the Xbox GPU. They could flog one Evey 2 years , ant zero cost to them, just rebrand a £200 , think the 970 of today then, rebadge and licence it, and sell all games via Windows (Xbox) store.
That would be interesting. All the pointers point to Sony going thin client, so an interesting battle that could be, but both want a curated controlled ecosystem.
January 8, 2017 at 2:45 pm #1939My two cents, not that with inflation and my time away from the world of computing they are worth anything anymore.
I bought my 360 second hand maybe 7 years ago, it has been a youtube mule a netflix atendant and it still cracks out WWE now and then, for the investment of ~£200 quid its provided more entertainment than the desktop machine or any other PC i have owned before or after. I realise my anecdotal tale isnt representative of the general situation but i happily invested in PS4 to take over the duties in the living room for its ease and convenience compared to a PC and the steam store.
The PC became an expensive luxury when i realised 90% of what i did on the PC could be replicated on a netbook and console. For a fraction of the total continued cost of PC hardware. I am by no means an old git yet, but id far rather have an easy life with my tech than have to put in effort when i dont want to. Which a nice RTP console does so well compared to my PC.Feel free to ignore or rip apart my thoughts, I’m still in mourning for the loss of MM a publication and world which shaped much of my teenage years. i only hope now my hobbyiest interest in computers can keep the childhood nostalgia alive lest i slip into the grey cold dark of middle age.
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IPad Mini 2, Asus Nexus 2012January 8, 2017 at 2:58 pm #1942Hi John, we too had a nner of 360s (see op) and the ps3 and now got a 4, on all that time, my fingers rig has had one new gfx card update.
I still use the same CPU i7 920 , same PSU (doinled the ram last year ) it did have a HD5850 in last year I finally swapped that out for a gtx970 at a cost of £250.
You are right, historically PC gaming was expensive, however hardware (bar GPU) hasn’t moved fast enough to warrant an upgrade. I game at 1080p so the same as what the new consoles do, at better framrates. Just, but bet in mind the PC cost me £600 in 2008 and I’ve since pit in a GPU and sum ram , total cost £290. The ps3 cost me £550 and the 4 was 400. The cost on Xboxes (without getting a one) has to close to a grand I think we bought 4 in total, and had a couple swapped out for red ring of death. At no cost.
So when you really them up, they have all cost about a grand each over the last ten years. (Could of bought car with thst 3k!) . Point PC gaming isn’t that expensive. And of ms just sold an Xbox PSU for Windows gaming, for about £200, match it with any half decent CPU from the last previous ten years, (imaging ffw 5 years) , it could be a viable and lucrative option for ms.
The idea only dawned one while typing the last post out, but that is where that may be going, with this Windows Xbox store.
January 8, 2017 at 3:09 pm #1944Ah the difference is in when we bought our consoles, ive never been an early adopter, so my 360 and PS4 combined were only £500 over the 7 years i’ve owned them, where as the total for the PC has been around £1500with~£1000 on original build and ~£500 on replacements over the (alarming) 10 years and now i sill have a perfectly working 360 and PS4 with a long in the tooth 10 year old CPU machine that struggles to play even ‘old’ (2012) games at 1440×900.
I think being a late adopted of both consoles helped me greatly in avoiding cost and unreliable hardware. I am keen though to see what a budget can get me for a PC these days. more like i said before as a box of nostalgia. (having spent much more than the combined console and PC budget on apple products in the intervening years)
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