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  • #15541
    johnbarryjohnbarry
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      @johnbarry
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      I am going with Sky (free Broadband) , the router only has 2 ports I need 3 ports.

      I have one of these.

      I doesn’t work

      I trawelled the internet Maplin don’t offer postage on it, the nearest is 25 mile away (Coventry)

      I purchased one of these off Amazon

      It doesn’t arrive till February (from Asia)

      They are mainly in Hong Kong Japan delivery by March.

      Anyone got a spare working one I could borrow (I will refund postage and return it laters)

      Cheers
      John

      #15545
      Dave RiceDave Rice
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        @ricedg
        Forumite Points: 7

        There is no such thing as an Ethernet splitter that works properly. There can’t be as each device needs at least 4 (and usually these days all 8) wires connected. It could only sort of work with 1 device turned on at a time, certainly not 2 or 3 at the same time.

        To turn 1 connection into many you need a hub or a switch. You should be able to find a 4 or 5 port 10/100 switch for under £15 on the high street quite easily. My Tesco store sells them as do Argos. Amazon have loads of them http://tinyurl.com/yc8cu79p

        All of them will work, the metal bodied ones are generally better quality. On that basis from Amazon I would get the £13 NETGEAR GS305-100UKS  If you want me to get one to you asap it can be done, just let me know and I’ll tell Mr Amazon via my Prime account ?

        Meanwhile tell him to cancel the thing you’ve bought. I’ve looked at the description and it does say at the bottom:

        Note:

        Please kindly note it can not achieve 2 or above computers online at the same time.

        #15553
        DrezhaDrezha
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          @drezha
          Forumite Points: 0

          From Dave’s link, I have the plastic 5 port housing one and it works perfectly fine as well (it links my TV box, Pi, Apple TV to my router – so that’s 4 ports of the 5 used so far) and it works fine with all three devices running.

          "Everything looks interesting until you do it. Then you find it’s just another job" - Terry Pratchett

          #15554
          johnbarryjohnbarry
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            @johnbarry
            Forumite Points: 13

            Thanks Dave

            It shows how much I know. I didn’t go down the page far enough to see the message.

            The other is not yet despatched, I have had to contact the seller to try and cancel.

            I could try Argos but knowing me I would still get it wrong.

            I note the netgear is for prime users, I have sent you a PM

            Thanks for the info Drezha

             

            Cheers
            John

            #15563
            Wheels-Of-FireWheels-Of-Fire
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              @grahamdearsley
              Forumite Points: 4

              An Ethernet splitter should work. A hub is the same thing. Just won’t do any packet switching.

               

               

              #15564
              Wheels-Of-FireWheels-Of-Fire
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                @grahamdearsley
                Forumite Points: 4

                Perhaps a bit more explication.

                Ethernet is a backbone system. All packets get broadcast on all ports unless they go through a switch or roughter.

                A good book is jump start TCP/IP

                #15565
                Dave RiceDave Rice
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                  @ricedg
                  Forumite Points: 7

                  No it isn’t a hub.

                  The splitter is passive just taking 8 wires and turning them into 24 at the other end. A hub is an active device. It is aware of physical layer packets, that is it can detect their start (preamble), an idle line (interpacket gap) and sense a collision which it also propagates by sending a jam signal. The device that sent the packets involved in the collision then knows to resend them. They can also detect physical problems such as jabbering.

                  Also hubs don’t switch packets, switches do that. A hub just sends all packets out on all ports (except the one it was received on). That’s why switches have memory and hubs don’t. The switch has to keep a table of which device(s) are on what port to know where to switch a packet to.

                  John, it’s on it’s way.

                  #15567
                  blacklion1725blacklion1725
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                    @blacklion1725
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                    Bear in mind that witha 5 port you are only gaining 3 ports net. One port on the sky router and one on the switch are taken up interconnecting the two – so with a 5 port switch you would go from two usable ports to five – for me an eight port makes a lot more sense if not for today then tomorrow.

                    #15574
                    Wheels-Of-FireWheels-Of-Fire
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                      @grahamdearsley
                      Forumite Points: 4

                      Dave .Yep a hub is just a wire splitter. No switching. Every packet goes to all ports. If you can get the book i recommended have a look ?

                      #15575
                      RichardRichard
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                        @sawboman
                        Forumite Points: 16

                        BL I tend to agree, if you are buying a new one – go large. However, in this case I understand Dave has offered to supply one as a starter. The cost difference between 5 and 8 ports is very small. I have a 4 port router plus a 5 port switch in my office. I could really do with an 8 port switch, I currently have one spare port left to which I connect anything that I want to work on. It is usually used the portables for their backups and updates,  they take long enough when wired, via Wi-Fi they are just too slow. For slow speed devices that are not too chatty, e.g. many printers* a 10Mbps hub can be a cheap option and can still support a PC or two at a push.

                        *Not all buildings reliably ‘get on’ with Wi-Fi to support wireless printers.

                        #15576
                        Wheels-Of-FireWheels-Of-Fire
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                          @grahamdearsley
                          Forumite Points: 4

                          Base band T works the same as coax backbone. All packets everyware.

                          #15577
                          Wheels-Of-FireWheels-Of-Fire
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                            @grahamdearsley
                            Forumite Points: 4

                            Sorry to go on BUT..

                            ethernet is base band with collision detection. Everything is sent everywhere if you don’t have a switch. A hub is not a switch ?

                            #15579
                            Dave RiceDave Rice
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                              @ricedg
                              Forumite Points: 7

                              Trust me, you won’t get past 2 devices without a hub or switch when you’re using UTP cables. Even a hub limits you.

                              I was Network Manager for Royal Mail South Wales & South West for a number of years and still make my living with business networking.

                              I started in the days of thick Ethernet backbones that looked something like this. The transceivers had great long spikes.

                              Once we got past 70 / 80 PCs it was out with the thick and in with the first switch. That was considered a major project as switches were the new black magic boxes that needed some sort of esoteric skills. We know now that was all bollocks ?

                              #15580
                              Wheels-Of-FireWheels-Of-Fire
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                                @grahamdearsley
                                Forumite Points: 4

                                Yes again Dave ?

                                A backbone system with collision detection. If you have a large network without a switch you will get packet collision causing slowdown. I think they say 10 devices per segment is ok

                                #15590
                                johnbarryjohnbarry
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                                  @johnbarry
                                  Forumite Points: 13

                                  I will add my splitter wouldn’t work, well it did, but then it didn’t I need a permanent did.

                                  Thanks Dave, I look forward to receiving it to give me a did.

                                  Cheers
                                  John

                                  #15595
                                  Dave RiceDave Rice
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                                    @ricedg
                                    Forumite Points: 7

                                    I look forward to seeing the practical example of a working network using  a Cat 5 cable frankensteined into 10.

                                    In the meantime I’ll put my faith in a switch as the backbone of my network. Think about it. In the world of cost cutting why would a 4 port switch – never mind a hub – be in even the cheapest router when all they had to do was solder some wires together?

                                    Why would the purveyor of a device that actually does just that admit that you cannot expect more than 1 device at a time to work?

                                    Theory is one thing, real world is another. As I said, I look forward to seeing your practical working network based on the theory. Benchmarks absolutely required.

                                    #15596
                                    Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                                      @bullstuff2
                                      Forumite Points: 0

                                      I have two TP-Link TL-SG 105’s:

                                      http://tinyurl.com/y95s6adx

                                      One connects my TP Link N600 9980 Router to the desktop in this room across the loft and the Zyxel nsa310 NAS also in here.

                                      I am planning to use the other to connect a NOWTV box to my TV and the Humax Freesat box, also eventually a laptop which will allow me to record my vinyl collection from the iON record deck. I love TP-Link stuff!

                                      BL’s advice should be heeded:  ” Bear in mind that with a 5 port you are only gaining 3 ports net. One port on the sky router and one on the switch are taken up interconnecting the two – so with a 5 port switch you would go from two usable ports to five – for me an eight port makes a lot more sense if not for today then tomorrow.

                                      I have just the NAS and desktop connected in this room, but I sometimes connect SWMBO’s lappy to the Hub. That’s it, no ports for anything else, but I don’t need any more here.

                                      When the Thought Police arrive at your door, think -
                                      I'm out.

                                      #15609
                                      D-DanD-Dan
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                                        @d-dan
                                        Forumite Points: 6

                                        I have the GS205-100UKS which for under £12 you can’t argue with, and it works a treat.

                                        Arch Linux, on a Ryzen 7 1800X, 32 GB, 5 (yes -5) HDs inc 5 SSDs, 4 RPi 3Bs + 1 RPi 4B - one as an NFS server with two more drives, PiHole (shut yours), Plex server, cloud server, and other random Pi stuff. Nice CoolerMaster case, 2 x NV GTX 1070 8GB, and a whopping 32" AOC 1440P monitor.

                                        #15619
                                        RichardRichard
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                                          @sawboman
                                          Forumite Points: 16

                                          I tried to think of cases where a splitter would be of use and I failed completely. I am not even sure that anyone sells hubs any more now that small switches are so much better in all ways, yet still highly cost effective. Amazon is listing switches from less than £7 and as far as I could see, no Ethernet hubs, though many USB hubs, they are not the same thing.

                                          Ebay had this interesting write up http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/Ethernet-Hubs-Vs-Network-Switches-/10000000177629216/g.html 

                                          I have an 8 port 100Mbps switch in the lounge it is over kill since I am only using 5 ports at the moment, but it was thrown spare when I replaced it with a 9 port Gigabyte switch up stairs . There is also a dumb hub serving some printers there. A displaced old router is also used as a Wi-Fi extender as the house walls are not Wi-Fi friendly and the router was spare. Subject to checking the wiring layout the hub could possibly be replaced by ports on the down graded router-to-a-plain-switch (DHCP is turned off and no WAN connection).

                                          In the office the ‘live’ router has 4 Gigabyte ports, one is connected to a five port Gigabyte switch so out of the 9 total ports only 7 became useful only 1 is currently spare.

                                          If I was starting over now, the network would be very different, needs have changed, hardware has advanced and in many cases become cheaper and more capable, for example the old hub was originally the centre of the upstairs network 20 years ago and cost considerably more than a modern switch.

                                          #15628
                                          Dave RiceDave Rice
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                                            @ricedg
                                            Forumite Points: 7

                                            Out of interest I’ve been looking at the practicality of a “no hub” network. With everything turned off and set to 10mbps half duplex someone reckons they got this to work A Passive Ethernet Hub

                                            I think this is a key phrase “So in this mode of operation the hub’s vital task is to enable each adapter to ‘hear’ everything others transmit, but at the same time to prevent each adapter from hearing itself sending data – and falsely detecting collisions.”

                                            All hair shirt stuff ?

                                            Just found a very good explanation of why a UTP network of more than 2 devices won’t work without a hub or switch http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/19505-42-ethernet-hubs 

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