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    blacklion1725blacklion1725
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      If you are stuck for something to watch, just finished “Civil War” on Netflix which is also on YouTube here.

      Was pretty ignorant about this subject myself but very eye-opening, particularly with regard to the backdrop of slavery, and the alignment of Republicans and Democrats on that issue, the “Draft Riots” in New York and lots of other issues.

      Overall thought it was excellent and well worth a watch (a long watch mind!)

       

      #11392
      PlaneManPlaneMan
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        @planeman
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        Watched it a few times over the last few months. It’s truly an epic work.

         

        #11393
        Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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          @bullstuff2
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          Current events demonstrate that war is still happening. Down in Dixie, they are furious about the banning of the Confederate flag and the destruction of statues. They have a point: to most of them, it is not racist, but a symbol of their history. Listen to Joan Baez singing “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down” to get a flavour of the resentment. Slavery was evil and segregation was an inhuman practice, as was the burning of churches. But the war, that flag and those statues are a part of the whole of American history, I don’t understand why the US left cannot understand that. The USA was a deeply divided, polarised nation, even before The Trumper came to the White House.

          I have a Confederate Memorial Jug, which is decorated with pictures of the CSA leaders, as displayed in stone on The Stone Mountain  Memorial in Georgia. This was left to my mother by a friend who was landlady of a pub in Nottingham. The landlady was given it by a Southern American serviceman who died in his B-17 over Germany. Once I could have earned a good price for this, had I ever wanted to advertise it in the States. Now no American can buy it and not expect to lose it in US Customs. I would never contemplate selling it, though. It’s in perfect condition.

           

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          #11394
          The DukeThe Duke
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            @sgb101
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            Turn Washingtons spies is a good series on Amazon too. This is about kicking us our rather than the civet war, but to me it’s all the same. Lol. I’m too ignorant of the civet war. But there is a good documentary series on Amazon about it ‘the ultimate civil war series’  , that I watched after I finished Turn.

            It seems the civil war wasn’t as straightforward as I thought. What does get me, is how they went form a mess to world leaders in a very short time. Got to be some good management went on at some point.

            #11395
            JayCeeDeeJayCeeDee
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              @jayceedee
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              There’s a lot of debate, controversy and unrest about the actual Memorial itself at the moment. HERE.

              Have you had it valued by one of the big Auction Houses at all, Bob?? It’d fly through Customs if they were selling it. Might be some value at the moment, what with all the furore and news about the Mountain itself. Could easily give the auction a bit of pazazz!!

              #11405
              Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                @bullstuff2
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                I have no intention of selling it JCD: it is not only a memento of my mother, but of her landlady friend, whom I met many times as a child. The relationship with my mam was always problematic after abuse as a kid, but it does serve as a memory that she had so many friends in every walk of life. It is actually a rare piece: there were only a few made by Jonroth Pottery of Staffordshire. I tried to have this valued once, and was told that the house would ‘get back to me’ after investigating why the base stamp was different to catalogued jugs, and why it appeared to be hand made and hand decorated, as opposed to most of the rest, which were not. When they ‘got back to me’ it was inthe form a straight offer of £50. I refused and they upped it to £200, by which time I knew I had something that was probably worth much more. I will never sell it though.

                This is the back stamp:

                I reduced it to Greyscale to cut down reflections. I have a great deal of pottery, mostly sourced from my aunt, who retired as a manager at Royal Doulton when it was still a Staffordshire based manufacturer. There is a one-off 21 piece teaset that she actually had made for my parents’ Silver Wedding. It is pristine, never been used. Should finance the Care Home! I love pottery, must be genetic as my mam worked in a Burslem Potbank called Woods.

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                #11409
                JayCeeDeeJayCeeDee
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                  @jayceedee
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                  I have no intention of selling it JCD: it is not only a memento of my mother, but of her landlady friend, whom I met many times as a child.

                  Should finance the Care Home! I love pottery, must be genetic as my mam worked in a Burslem Potbank called Woods.

                   

                  Don’t forget to let the kids/Grandkids know what you want doing with them all when that time comes. Get some valuations done so they don’t fall into the same trapas someone tried on you. You don’t want to buy an antiques dealer his new car before your care home, do you!!

                   

                  When’s the Antiques Roadshow” coming to your neck of the woods next???

                  #11410
                  Ed PEd P
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                    @edps
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                    One of my more venal kids said that we should go around the house putting stickers on the backs of everything with our estimate of value. That way they won;t put the good stuff into house clearance, and would know what to put into the piles to be divided between them. I’m still not sure if she was joking.!

                    There was actually a lot of truth in the requestt as house clearing is a horrible job and you rapidly reach the point of just wanting shot of everything.

                    #11412
                    JayCeeDeeJayCeeDee
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                      @jayceedee
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                      One of my more venal kids said that we should go around the house putting stickers on the backs of everything with our estimate of value. That way they won;t put the good stuff into house clearance, and would know what to put into the piles to be divided between them. I’m still not sure if she was joking.! There was actually a lot of truth in the request as house clearing is a horrible job and you rapidly reach the point of just wanting shot of everything.

                      Actually, I’d say she was the practical one, unless of course, after you’d done it, you got a lot more visits from her!! Just checking, Mum!!!

                      That’s not a problem for us – just the one!!

                      #11414
                      blacklion1725blacklion1725
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                        @blacklion1725
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                        Turn Washingtons spies is a good series on Amazon too. This is about kicking us our rather than the civet war, but to me it’s all the same. Lol. I’m too ignorant of the civet war. But there is a good documentary series on Amazon about it ‘the ultimate civil war series’ , that I watched after I finished Turn. It seems the civil war wasn’t as straightforward as I thought. What does get me, is how they went form a mess to world leaders in a very short time. Got to be some good management went on at some point.

                        Yeah it seems strange their Civil War ended 49 years before WW1 (if my maths are right) – but still feels like a wild west feel about it. some of the stuff like the first appearance of iron-clad battle ships was news to me as was the first real instance of trench warfare at Petersburg. The whole timeline was something I never thought about really…..like when I think “Custer’s last stand” my head tells me it was all much longer ago – but it was actually post-Civil War. The “crater” bit from the Petersburg Siege I remember from a scene in the film “Cold Mountain”.

                        I must stop getting interested in new (old) wars…..eats up a lot of time and makes me very unpopular, very interesting though. I think in this one the whole thing – the narrator, the contributors (especially the 104 year old ex-slave lady who reads the poem/death notice) and the music makes it a really absorbing watch.

                        #11416
                        Bob WilliamsBob Williams
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                          @bullstuff2
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                          I am currently reading “Rifles” about the first 2 Rifle Regiments in the Peninsular Wars (Spain & Portugal) 1809 – 1813. As an ex-sniper, it was interesting to read about how Wellington used the regiments as the equivalent of today’s Special Forces, giving them the new-fangled rifle, training them to be sharpshooters, using new tactics of fire and movement, a version of which the British Army uses today.

                          Those men went through a version of Hell, because they were always in front of their own lines they had a high casualty rate. They were hated by the French because Wellington had them pick off their officers, hated by their own Oldphart Generals because they did not wage war as they did, by throwing lines of men at the enemy, war of attrition. Wellington thought very highly of them and protected them from the rest of the Army, but was not averse to having them flogged. I read of one Greenjacket who was given 200 lashes, survived and then was promoted at Badajoz for bravery.

                          As a former squaddie who occasionally misbehaved, I am personally glad they gave up that particular punishment. ??

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